While Evan and Johnny fans debate the merits of each skater, we though it might be interesting to show how the judges scored the skaters in different skating skills. Our approach is to divide the marks into five skill. For singles these skills are: jumps, spins, sequences, skating (SS + TR), and presentation (PE + CH + IN). When we present the statistics this way, we average all the judges and do not use a trimmed mean.
In this first group of tables we show the point totals for each skater from each judge for each skating skill. We only show the first six men since the table gets too big otherwise. At the bottom we combine all the judges together and show you the order of finish in all skills, and in each of the five skills.
In the Free Skate six of nine judges had Lysacek first. This is the reverse of the short program where six of nine judges had Weir first. The agreement among the judges is fairly good for the first three skaters, but after that there is a diversity of opinion spanning more than five places.
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POINT TOTALS AND PLACES FOR EACH JUDGE |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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|
Evan Lysacek |
1 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
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158.88 |
160.88 |
160.38 |
167.38 |
168.88 |
162.38 |
159.88 |
164.38 |
160.88 |
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Johnny Weir |
2 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
|
158.58 |
161.58 |
165.58 |
165.58 |
164.08 |
164.08 |
155.08 |
163.08 |
156.08 |
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Stephen Carriere |
3 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
|
148.38 |
147.88 |
151.88 |
152.88 |
150.88 |
154.88 |
147.38 |
156.88 |
151.38 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
5 |
6 |
5 |
5 |
5 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
4 |
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144.34 |
145.34 |
144.84 |
149.84 |
146.84 |
154.34 |
148.34 |
152.84 |
149.84 |
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Ryan Bradley |
4 |
5 |
7 |
4 |
3 |
6 |
6 |
5 |
5 |
|
145.83 |
146.83 |
138.83 |
151.83 |
152.83 |
144.33 |
144.33 |
147.83 |
147.33 |
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Scott Smith |
6 |
3 |
4 |
6 |
7 |
5 |
5 |
6 |
6 |
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137.44 |
151.44 |
146.44 |
142.44 |
142.94 |
153.44 |
145.44 |
141.44 |
143.44 |
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Places for Jumps |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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|
Evan Lysacek |
3 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
|
57.58 |
57.58 |
62.58 |
63.58 |
65.58 |
61.58 |
58.58 |
60.58 |
59.58 |
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Johnny Weir |
2 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
|
58.08 |
61.08 |
66.08 |
63.08 |
63.08 |
61.08 |
58.08 |
62.08 |
61.08 |
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Stephen Carriere |
4 |
4 |
4 |
6 |
6 |
4 |
7 |
3 |
4 |
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56.18 |
54.18 |
57.18 |
57.18 |
57.18 |
59.18 |
54.18 |
60.18 |
57.18 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
8 |
9 |
9 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
8 |
5 |
7 |
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52.84 |
49.84 |
50.84 |
52.84 |
52.84 |
54.84 |
51.84 |
57.84 |
53.84 |
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Ryan Bradley |
1 |
5 |
6 |
4 |
3 |
7 |
4 |
4 |
3 |
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58.93 |
53.93 |
53.93 |
58.93 |
59.93 |
54.93 |
56.93 |
58.93 |
58.93 |
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Scott Smith |
6 |
3 |
3 |
7 |
7 |
2 |
3 |
7 |
5 |
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54.54 |
54.54 |
57.54 |
55.54 |
54.54 |
61.54 |
57.54 |
55.54 |
56.54 |
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Places for Spins |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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Evan Lysacek |
2 |
3 |
2 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
2 |
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13.80 |
13.30 |
13.30 |
13.80 |
13.30 |
12.80 |
13.80 |
13.80 |
13.80 |
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Johnny Weir |
4 |
6 |
2 |
5 |
3 |
2 |
5 |
5 |
11 |
|
12.80 |
12.80 |
13.30 |
13.30 |
13.80 |
13.80 |
12.80 |
13.30 |
11.30 |
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Stephen Carriere |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
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14.50 |
14.50 |
15.00 |
15.00 |
14.00 |
15.00 |
15.00 |
15.50 |
14.50 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
3 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
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13.30 |
13.80 |
13.30 |
14.30 |
13.30 |
13.80 |
14.80 |
14.80 |
13.30 |
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Ryan Bradley |
6 |
8 |
7 |
5 |
6 |
9 |
8 |
7 |
7 |
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12.30 |
12.30 |
11.80 |
13.30 |
12.80 |
12.30 |
12.30 |
12.30 |
11.80 |
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Scott Smith |
5 |
4 |
5 |
8 |
10 |
8 |
6 |
6 |
4 |
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12.50 |
13.00 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
12.50 |
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Places for Sequences |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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Evan Lysacek |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
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10.00 |
10.00 |
9.00 |
9.50 |
10.00 |
10.00 |
10.00 |
10.50 |
9.50 |
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Johnny Weir |
2 |
6 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
|
7.70 |
7.20 |
8.20 |
8.20 |
8.20 |
8.20 |
7.70 |
7.70 |
7.70 |
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Stephen Carriere |
6 |
8 |
3 |
9 |
8 |
6 |
6 |
4 |
8 |
|
6.70 |
6.70 |
7.20 |
6.70 |
6.70 |
7.20 |
7.20 |
7.20 |
6.70 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
3 |
2 |
3 |
3 |
8 |
2 |
2 |
4 |
2 |
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7.20 |
7.70 |
7.20 |
7.70 |
6.70 |
8.20 |
7.70 |
7.20 |
7.70 |
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Ryan Bradley |
14 |
13 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
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5.10 |
5.60 |
5.60 |
6.10 |
5.60 |
6.10 |
6.10 |
5.60 |
5.60 |
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Scott Smith |
15 |
10 |
13 |
15 |
14 |
14 |
13 |
14 |
14 |
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4.90 |
6.40 |
5.40 |
4.90 |
5.40 |
5.40 |
5.90 |
5.40 |
4.90 |
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Places for Skating (SS + TR) |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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|
Evan Lysacek |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
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29.50 |
31.50 |
30.50 |
31.50 |
31.00 |
30.00 |
30.00 |
30.50 |
30.50 |
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Johnny Weir |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
|
31.00 |
32.00 |
31.50 |
32.00 |
30.00 |
30.50 |
30.00 |
31.00 |
30.00 |
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Stephen Carriere |
4 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
5 |
5 |
4 |
4 |
3 |
|
28.00 |
30.00 |
29.50 |
29.50 |
28.50 |
28.50 |
27.50 |
28.00 |
29.00 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
3 |
6 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
2 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
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28.50 |
29.50 |
29.50 |
29.50 |
29.50 |
30.00 |
28.50 |
29.50 |
29.00 |
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Ryan Bradley |
5 |
4 |
7 |
3 |
4 |
6 |
5 |
7 |
5 |
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27.00 |
30.00 |
28.00 |
29.50 |
29.00 |
27.00 |
26.50 |
26.50 |
28.50 |
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Scott Smith |
6 |
3 |
5 |
6 |
6 |
4 |
5 |
5 |
6 |
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25.50 |
30.50 |
29.00 |
28.00 |
28.00 |
29.50 |
26.50 |
27.00 |
27.50 |
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Places for Presentation (PE + CH + IN) |
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J1 |
J2 |
J3 |
J4 |
J5 |
J6 |
J7 |
J8 |
J9 |
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Evan Lysacek |
2 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
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48.00 |
48.50 |
45.00 |
49.00 |
49.00 |
48.00 |
47.50 |
49.00 |
47.50 |
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Johnny Weir |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
|
49.00 |
48.50 |
46.50 |
49.00 |
49.00 |
50.50 |
46.50 |
49.00 |
46.00 |
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Stephen Carriere |
4 |
6 |
4 |
5 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
|
43.00 |
42.50 |
43.00 |
44.50 |
44.50 |
45.00 |
43.50 |
46.00 |
44.00 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
5 |
5 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
6 |
2 |
|
42.50 |
44.50 |
44.00 |
45.50 |
44.50 |
47.50 |
45.50 |
43.50 |
46.00 |
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Ryan Bradley |
3 |
4 |
7 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
5 |
|
43.50 |
46.00 |
40.50 |
45.00 |
46.50 |
45.00 |
43.50 |
45.50 |
43.50 |
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Scott Smith |
6 |
3 |
5 |
6 |
6 |
6 |
7 |
7 |
7 |
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40.00 |
47.00 |
42.00 |
41.50 |
42.50 |
44.50 |
43.00 |
41.00 |
42.00 |
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The next table shows where each skater placed in the five skating skills. "Skating" consists of the first two program components, "Presentations" consists of the last three Program Components. Weir was scored higher that Lysacek in Jumps, Skating and Presentation. He was half a point back in Spins, but the decision maker was Sequences where Lysacek was marked nearly 2 points ahead of Weir. Again, for these numbers we average all judges. Notice when you use all judges, compared to a trimmed mean, there are two place swaps (7-8 and 15-16).
Farther down the standings we see that Carriere was scored best is spins, but gave up nearly three points in Sequences. Compared to Abbott, however, Carriere was four point ahead on jumps, so the deciding factor in third and fourth place was that Carriere was down in a skill that does not contribute a large number of points to the total result while Abbott was down in the most important skill, Jumps.
Ryan Bradley missed out on the pewter medal by about two points despite being third best in Jumps. In his case, Spins, Sequences and Skating pulled him off the podium. In terms of Presentation, Bradley, Abbott and Carriere were all scored pretty similar, within less than a point of each other. In comparing Abbott and Bradley, this event shows how a skater can be down in jumps by a few points, and make up for it in other skills. In Abbott's case a "jump deficit" of about four points was made up in Spins, Sequences and Skating. In the Ladies event we have the opposite case, where the jump deficit was so high, minor weaknesses in other skills did not prevent the skater from winning. In general, overcoming a jump deficit of up to four points or less is not particularly difficult, while overcoming a jump deficit of eight or more points is extremely difficult.
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All Skills |
Jumps |
Spins |
Sequences |
Skating |
Presentation |
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|
Evan Lysacek |
1 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
|
162.67 |
60.81 |
13.52 |
9.84 |
30.56 |
47.94 |
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|
Johnny Weir |
2 |
1 |
5 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
|
161.51 |
61.51 |
13.03 |
7.87 |
30.88 |
48.22 |
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|
Stephen Carriere |
3 |
4 |
1 |
7 |
4 |
5 |
|
151.38 |
56.96 |
14.78 |
6.92 |
28.72 |
44.00 |
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Jeremy Abbott |
4 |
8 |
2 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
|
148.50 |
53.05 |
13.85 |
7.48 |
29.28 |
44.84 |
|
|
Ryan Bradley |
5 |
3 |
7 |
12 |
5 |
4 |
|
146.66 |
57.27 |
12.36 |
5.71 |
28.00 |
44.32 |
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Scott Smith |
6 |
5 |
6 |
14 |
6 |
6 |
|
144.94 |
56.42 |
12.56 |
5.40 |
27.96 |
42.60 |
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Wesley Campbell |
8 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
9 |
8 |
|
134.24 |
51.39 |
12.06 |
6.29 |
25.56 |
38.94 |
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|
Dennis Phan |
7 |
6 |
9 |
18 |
10 |
11 |
|
134.97 |
56.12 |
12.08 |
3.99 |
25.22 |
37.56 |
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|
Shaun Rogers |
9 |
7 |
16 |
16 |
12 |
13 |
|
131.67 |
55.11 |
10.31 |
4.51 |
24.90 |
36.84 |
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Tommy Steenberg |
10 |
11 |
11 |
6 |
13 |
10 |
|
131.11 |
48.81 |
12.05 |
7.03 |
24.78 |
38.44 |
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Eliot Halverson |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
17 |
15 |
|
127.21 |
49.12 |
12.22 |
6.75 |
23.18 |
35.94 |
|
|
Braden Overett |
12 |
15 |
4 |
3 |
7 |
7 |
|
125.38 |
36.95 |
13.12 |
7.59 |
26.50 |
41.22 |
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Parker Pennington |
13 |
13 |
13 |
7 |
15 |
14 |
|
123.39 |
44.60 |
11.49 |
6.92 |
24.10 |
36.28 |
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|
Geoffry Varner |
14 |
14 |
18 |
9 |
11 |
12 |
|
118.77 |
41.75 |
8.83 |
6.75 |
24.94 |
37.50 |
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Douglas Razzano |
16 |
12 |
17 |
13 |
16 |
17 |
|
115.16 |
45.31 |
9.80 |
5.61 |
23.50 |
33.94 |
|
|
Derrick Delmore |
15 |
17 |
12 |
5 |
8 |
9 |
|
115.45 |
33.35 |
11.57 |
7.31 |
25.60 |
38.62 |
|
|
Rohene Ward |
17 |
18 |
14 |
17 |
14 |
16 |
|
105.67 |
31.91 |
10.98 |
4.40 |
24.56 |
35.82 |
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|
Michael Villarreal |
18 |
16 |
15 |
15 |
18 |
18 |
| 103.04 | 35.72 | 10.39 | 5.03 | 21.94 | 31.96 |
Copyright 2008 by George S. Rossano